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What Government Isn’t Telling You About ID Cards
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Started by The NO2ID Campaign onÂ
November 01 2007
Phil Booth from The NO2ID Campaign explains what the government isn’t telling you about ID cards.
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added November 01 2007
Well said Mr. Booth. It's also refreshing to note that we now have two leading MPs who have gone on record to say that they will go to jail rather than submit themselves to one of the new "Interrogation Centres". Hopefully many more from all parties will join them in the coming weeks and months and inspire the media to start reporting on how damaging this scheme will be for Britain and all her citizens.
added November 04 2007
So what happens if your a victim of identity theft and the perpetrator ends up on the sex offenders list and runs up a large debt masquerading as you, how do you prove that you are not guilty? I know one thing is certain you would submit to DNA iris recognition fingerprints or whatever else to prove your innocence. Oh and by the way do you know that the cost of ID fraud in the UK is estimated to be £1.7 BILLION per annum. Imagine how much good that would do for deserving causes.
added November 06 2007
"Oh and by the way do you know that the cost of ID fraud in the UK is estimated to be £1.7 BILLION per annum. Imagine how much good that would do for deserving causes." I've seen this statement made on several threads now. However, you have never attempted to explain how the magical panaceas of either the NIR or a nationwide DNA database would do anything to reduce it. Do you just live in some sort of Ian Fleming world where whenever Q says "Here you go Mr. Bond" the device in question will automatically solve all your problems no matter how scientifically impossible that may be?
added November 06 2007
DNA is unique, Iris recognition is unique, fingerprints are unique, any one or all three would be irrefutable evidence of an individual and could not be replicated, not to mention the £1.7 billion stolen as a result of ID fraud every year Mr Bond. So not only would it be impossible to impersonate you it would be impossible to have multiple identities. On that subject there are 30 MILLION more National Insurance numbers than there are people. Do you think this is accidental or a deliberate attempt by unscrupulous people to obtain multiple identities for criminal intent? Like I say what personal information would you provide the police if a sex offender had stolen your identity and you wanted to clear your name? Or is that the risk your happy to take to defend your right to your so called freedom? Just imagine a situation where you couldn't obtain credit for a mortgage or any essential credit you may need because someone has stolen your identity and your money, still you would have the freedom to go without.
added November 06 2007
Given the current reliability of iris recognition technology, I'm more likely to be refused credit because the system insists I'm someone that I'm quite clearly not.
added November 06 2007
That's an unsubstantiated statement based on conjecture which is just about par for the course for your argument.
added November 06 2007
The Home Office trials reported up to a 30% error rate for people with brown eyes, so not conjecture - the government's own opinion.
added November 07 2007
So that means a 70% success rate for people with brown eyes, somewhat better than the existing system where you have a 0% first strike success rate. Also when coupled with DNA and/or fingerprints you are nearer 100% success rate. Just admit the fact that you are opposed on principle not on success rate or cost, nothing wrong with that but just be honest about your opposition.
added November 10 2007
So now we know what you oppose (that's always the easy part) enlighten us all with you suggestions for combating the £1.7 BILLION pounds that ID fraud costs everyone in the country and how do you make sure that people dont adopt multiple identities??? I await your response with bated breath.
added November 12 2007
I was born and raised in Belgium and have dual UK/Belgian citizenship. All Belgian citizens by law must carry their ID card at all time from the age of 12. The system works excellently with ID fraud nearly unknown in Belgium. I am very suspicious of those who object to these - what have they to hide ?